Tips for Figure Skating Jumps Moment Of Take-Off: Axel – Salchow – Toe Loop – Part 2 (Trevor Laak)

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Trevor Laak shares the results of the second part of a survey of iCoachSkating.com subscribers on the details at the moment of take-off for the axel, salchow, and toe loop jumps.  Here are the survey questions covered in the video.

SURVEY

Image for question 4 of the survey (click on image to enlarge):

4. Does a toe loop take-off use a straight free leg like figure A or an h-position like in figure B?

5. Is there an obvious difference between the skater’s position at the moment of take-off between a double toe loop and a triple toe loop?  (No image)

6. Is there an obvious difference between the skater’s position at the moment of take-off between a double salchow and a triple salchow?  (No image)

Image for question 7 of the survey (click on image to enlarge):

7. One of the images above represents a double salchow take-off and the other represents a triple salchow take-off.  Which is which?

 

In the results video, Trevor shares the survey results (only) from the coaches taking the survey, including the correct answers.  As Trevor notes, coaches seem to have a good overall understanding that at the moment of take-off, doubles and triples should look the “same” or at least very similar.  Most coaches also recognized again in part of the survey that nearly all triple and most double toe loops take off with a straight free leg, and Trevor explains why he asked the question again.  Finally, Trevor discusses the subtle differences between this skater’s double and triple salchow take-off.

The video of the double and triple salchow and toe loop as well as the double and triple jumps synchronized side by side and in slow motion is included in the video for your analysis.


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2 responses to “Tips for Figure Skating Jumps Moment Of Take-Off: Axel – Salchow – Toe Loop – Part 2 (Trevor Laak)”

  1. George

    Ok, the takeoffs are the same or very similar. So what exactly creates the extra rotation? You didn’t really say at this time, Trevor, but one thing would be the tighter position of the crossed legs and arms, I would guess. Is there anything else that adds greater rotation?

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  2. Trevor

    George: I’m not sure exactly what you mean by extra rotation. Are you asking why the salchow and toe rotate a quarter turn farther in the air than the axel? If that’s the question, the extra rotation is created by air time as the skater usually jumps higher. Minimum air time for double axel is generally accepted as 0.45 seconds and triple salchow is usually 0.467 seconds. Also, the mechanism that creates rotation for salchow (back inside edge) is more efficient than the forward outside edge for axel, so it naturally has a little more rotational energy. The details are complicated, but suffice it to say: the three jumps use different methods of rotational energy creation, and have different movements to get into the rotational position.

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